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Wolves, 07-01-19, FA Cup (A)

FA Cup time with a trip to wolves and to be honest i'm not arsed win or lose. I expect a lot of changes with the likes of Keita, Shaqiri, Sturridge,Camacho, Origi and Lallana all starting and our old friend Mignolet as well. the team might look something like this, 


                                      Comacho   Lovren   VVD    Moreno

                                          Keita    Fabonho   Lallana

                                           Shaqiri   Sturridge   Origi

I don't know much about Comacho, maybe Huytonian can enlighten us about him but i don't see any other option for RB unless Klopp puts Milner in there. Like i said earlier, i for one am not bothered about this competition, i want us going all out for the Lge title as we're in such a great position in that. No doubt wolves will be out for some revenge due to their recent defeat to us but i would gladly let them have their moment here if it gave us a slightly better chance in the Lge. Best of luck RedMen.

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  • A lot of unhappy fans venting their anger towards Klopp but they have to look at the bigger picture. The simple fact is we haven't won a lge title in almost 30 years and this season we have a great chance. The domestic cups simply don't have the same allure as they once did. It's all about the Champions lge and lge title now or at least it is for the top clubs in every lge around Europe and it all boils down to money of course. Greed has taken over football as far as owners and most players are concerned and every man, woman and child in the stands pays for it, it's a sad fact but that's today's football life.

    A manager of a top club today can win the lge and FA cups and still get the sack so i can fully understand Klopp fielding the team he did but not just for this reason but for others. He has to give some youngsters a taste of first team football and when better than the early rounds of both domestic cups, it's a gamble that sometimes pays of and sometimes not, it's been like this for many many years and it's only when it fails that people complain. People think that we have this big squad now and we do but our 2nd string is far below that of city who can put out a 2nd string that could compete in any lge and any cup competition in Europe. He simply can't afford to play his best 11 in every game, they would be worn out by xmas, he has no choice but to pick and choose when he plays our best players and that is always going to be in most Lge and CL games, it is up to the fringe players and youngsters to take their chance when they get it and unfortunately they didn't do that against wolves.

    Now that we're out of both domestic cups we can go full throttle at both the Lge and CL with our best players and if it leads to success come the end of may then all those who are complaining right now will be silent. I for one am not in the slightest bit bothered about being out of the domestic cups, i've been waiting almost 30 years to see us win a Lge title and if going out of both domestic cups early helps us to achieve that then i'm all for that. I'm 100% behind Klopp, after all, he did say when he took over that he would be surprised if we didn't win a Lge title in 3 years, well Jurgen, this is your 3rd full season in charge so no pressure???????
    • Of course if we were to go on and win something our supporters would be silent about the FA Cup, that's because football supporters, in general, are myopic. Let's make something clear, the FA Cup didn't become irrelevant, it was made irrelevant by clubs like Liverpool who try to gain an advantage in other competitions through putting out understrength teams in the domestic cups. Premier League sides have irreversibly and selfishly devalued the FA Cup for the whole Football League and in doing so they've diminished their own past victories in the cup. And for what? So a handful of rich clubs can play two or three first team players less in a cup tie. Actually, I should make myself clearer - I don't have a problem with teams reducing the strength of their sides to allow some uncapped and second string players to play, I have a problem with teams reducing the strength of their sides purposely to lower their competitiveness and thus make deafeat, and an exit, more likely. It is basically throwing a game to gain an advantage in other competitions and that, in my book, is cheating. Call me old fashioned but I'd like to see Liverpool achieve their aims by winning games, not losing games, and it's time the big clubs realised they are the custodians of domestic football and if the cup competitions die it's because they killed them.
      • I agree with you to an extent. It was watching LFC in the FA cup finals in the 80s that started my supporting the club and who could ever forget the 2006 final against westham which some say was the best FA cup final to date but i'm also a realist and the reality is, whoever is to blame and for whatever reason, that the FA and Lge cups are fastly becoming insignificant and it all stems back to money and prestige which winning the Lge and CL bring in in abundance. For me personally it's all about the Lge, even the CL i'm not bothered about, a lot of fans are like me, we've waited so long for a Lge title that all other comps come a distant 2nd and i don't see that changing until we win that elusive title.
        • As an older fan I can remember that winning the FA Cup back in the 50's and 60's was probably bigger than winning the League. The joy when we won the cup in 1965 was greater than when we won the League in 64 and 66. I'm not sure when it all changed but certainly the intensity of the game now is greater than in those days when you could play the ball back to your goalkeeper who could pick it up thus slowing the game down. This means players have to be rested at some stage and with the intensity of the title race this year I can understand why Klopp chose to give some a rest against Wolves. I thought he rested too many but I did not realise that Henderson and Lallana were injured so he didn't have all the options available that I had imagined.
  • I can understand the line-up though I was expecting a slightly more experienced team. In the end it was the more experienced players, Mignolet,Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, Keita and Shaqiri who let us down. Given the number of changes and the lack of game time for many of the players it was perhaps inevitable that there as little cohesion and that individual players were rusty. There were a few positives. I thought Fabinho had a strong game in central defence and would not be worried about him starting alongside VVD at Brighton. Ki-Jana Hoever was a revelation along side him. I had only seen him play one game as central defender, he has mostly played right back or wing back, but he looked very assured for a 16 year old. The big plus is an easier programme for the rest of the season.
    • I feel very conflicted about this game. Given the circumstances I thought the three young players did remarkably well, especially Hoever who demonstrated a maturity beyond his years in arguably one of the most difficult positions on the pitch. However, I thought it was unfair to end up with three uncapped players on the pitch together when half of the remaining team members were so rusty. How were the young players meant to mesh with players who themselves were attempting to mesh with the few first team regulars? That unco-ordinated first half performance was completely predictable when you consider the team had players at three different levels of performance - youngsters, occasionals and regulars - each in almost equal proportions. Whilst I can understand Klopp's need to rest players this shouldn't come at the cost of making the team reasonably competitive, otherwise we can question why the fixture is being played at all and that opens up an ethical minefield.
      • I think we can get away with 5 or 6 changes (depending where the changes are) but making 8,9, 10 is certainly asking for trouble. I felt particularly sorry for Curtis Jones who was having to cope with little or no movement from the strikers and had Moreno on his side playing like a headless chicken. Apart from one good run he wasn't able to show what he can do. Had he been the only change from the normal team I'm sure he would have fared much better.
        • The crux of the problem, for me, is this - we had players who were trying their best but didn't have the experience, we had players who were all over the place because they hadn't had the game time, and we had players who weren't giving their maximum because they were the first teamers chosen to play in a fixture they deemed beneath them (and we had James Milner who occupies a catergory all of his own, God bless him). Klopp had created a mish-mash of a team which didn't have a unified mindset so it was no surprise they found it so difficult to perform in sync. Klopp had no moral authority to criticise any of those players who played because he could hardly say 'You didn't try your best to win' when they could easily reply 'Neither did you.' I reckon against a Premier League side this current Liverpool team can afford to make five changes, no more, and perhaps a couple more against opponents further down the leagues. I don't think in reality we have the squad depth we have on paper unless we rotate the squad more often, like City do, so that we have more players truly match-ready.
  • Two uncapped players (three once Lovren had gone off injured), three players who hadn't played a handful of games each this season, nine changes in total from our last starting line-up and a formation (4-4-2) which we've hardly played this season - I'm puzzled as to how Klopp thought he was going to beat a mid-table Premier League side away at their stadium because he couldn't have made the task more difficult for himself, or perhaps that was the intention.

    (I should probably make clear my criticism is not about squad rotation or playing uncapped players, it's the DEGREE that these happen because it can seriously affect the chances of success.)
  • 6 changes so but still a strong line-up, our usual front 3 on the bench in case it's going tits up, i have a feeling this could be a really good match.
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