Carragher's Spit

Ive just seen the footage of this, what the hell was he thinking, what a disgusting thing to do. Provacation is no excuse, i'd much rather someone punch me than spit at me, i think it's one of  the most vile thing's one human can do too another. He's let himself, the club and the people of liverpool down bigtime in my opinion, his job at sky must surely be at risk, shame on you Carra.

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  • Whatever the provocation I agree it was disgusting and that Carra has let everyone down especially himself.  He's normally a decent bloke and there are stories of his generousity, but its not the first time he has let impetuousity get the better of him.  As a young player his television intervies were an embarrassment he was so inarticulate but I really admire the way he has matured and developed into a respected pundit whose analysis of games is usualy spot on.  Its a shame he should put his new career in jeopody by a moment of madness but when you act so foolishly you have to live with the consequences.

  • Let's keep this in perspective. What he did was very unpleasant, juvenile and a let down to many associated with him but apart from a fourteen year old girl getting slightly wet there's been no lasting damage. That doesn't excuse what Carra did, of course it doesn't, but when we've had people in the footballing community accused and convicted of rape, domestic violence, child abuse, various assaults and other crimes in recent decades it's probably worth keeping what Carra actually did in proportion. He made a split decision which I very much expect he started regretting within seconds. We've all done it, I know have. He's made no attempt to divert blame and he didn't hold back on an apology, he seems genuinely contrite. Should he be punished? In reality the damage he's already done to his reputation will have a bigger impact on him than anything else. I bet having to explain all this to his kids was harder than anything Sky could deal out. If he'd actually harmed anyone it would be a completely different matter but as it is if were Sky I'd make sure he'd made an unqualified apology to those in the car (which it appears he has), I'd make him compensate them for having their clothes and car cleaned (and get him to add a token sum for the trouble he's put them through), and I'd have him make a piece to camera the next time he's on the television apologising for his actions and explaining how he feels remorse for letting everyone down. In my eyes that would an appropriate response for what he did, the levels of humiliation he'd have to endure would be more uncomfortable than getting the sack. What would sacking him really achieve? The viewers would lose a pundit they obviously like and I'm sure Carra isn't going to struggle to earn a living (probably in television somewhere). He did something wrong so he should do all he reasonably can to make up for it and then we should get back on with our lives.

    • And i'm sure you'd say the same if it was your 14 year old daughter he spat at, totally disagree with what you said and imo your mildly condoning what he did. A disgusting thiggish thing to do and he's lost any respect i had for him. I think spitting is a despicable thing to do, no need for it but to spit at someone and worse still, hit them with it, very few worse things you can do to a fellow human being but that's just me.

    • What the heck did Carra do?  Remember I am an American, in Buffalo, NY who doesn't always get the British newsp!  Did he actually spit on a 14 old girl?  That is beyond anything I've heard in some time .There are children I would love to smack but none I would spit on.  I reserve my saliva for Stalins or Hitlers!

    • He didn't intentionaly spit on the girl sage, he spat at a car that was driving alongside his on the motorway because the driver was giving him stick about the manure result, some of his spit hit the girl apparently. 

  • I'm not condoning it all, I clearing said it was very unpleasant and he's let people down. Had it been my daughter involved I'd have been furious, but then again I wouldn't have been filming on my phone while driving, especially when my daughter was clearly distressed even before the spitting incident had taken place. However, as with any crime a degree of severity has to be judged before any proportional action can be taken against the guilty. The actual event was obviously very unsavoury but the effects were relatively short-lived. Had Carra struck the girl, for example, the severity of the incident would've been much greater and so would be the punishment. If Carra had ended up in court for what he actually did the sentence, given his history and character references, would probably be a fine, at the most maybe some community service. The courts would view it as a minor offence even though it was momentarily very unpleasant. Would it be fair to write off a person of good character for a moment of stupidity that had no real lasting effects? I don't believe so, the punishment - and there should be a punishment - should be proportional to the severity of the offence. Be under no illusion, the reputational damage Carra has suffered already is massive and will be much longer lasting than anything the judiciary would hand out. There's also some hypocrisy on display on the LFC fansites with the same people who called for leniency with regards to Suarez's actions now calling for the ostracizing of Carra. To my knowledge, this is Carra's first real offence and on the scale of offences committed by (ex)footballers it's on the lower rungs of the ladder. He did something wrong, of that there is no doubt, and he should be punished for it but any response needs to be proportionate and I don't believe ruining his post-football career is necessary, for him or his family.

    • Just to add to my point, this is a tweet from a ex-serviceman called Andy Grant:

      Call him what you want but this man came to visit me soon after I was blown up in Afghan

      Donated tons of memorabilia that I then auctioned off to raise thousands for military charities

      I could go on and on

      5 seconds of madness doesn’t make you a bad person

      Still a hero for me

      However revolting spitting is, and there's no question it is, it's undeniable that Carra has had a much longer lasting positive impact on people than that one short term negative act. I don't think it's unreasonable, given the circumstances and Carra's obvious remorse, that he be allowed the second chance he's earned over the years.


    • Carra has done a lot for charity's down the years, think he has a foundation going, local childrens hospital and so forth. There's no disputing this side of his charactor but to spit at someone like he did shows another side to his charactor, that kind of thing is either in your makeup or it's not and like i said earlier, he's lost a lot of my respect.

    • Another angle on this is it fuels the hatred between the two clubs and gives them another reason to hate the scouse people, there's just nothing positive to be said about it. He's an LFC legend and famous TV pundit so you always have to be on your guard and protect yourself against this kind of thing. We've all had moments of madness but you simply can't have them when your in the public eye as he is. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but all he had to do was ignore him, keep his window up and drive on, he wouldn't be in this situation now, to do what he did is inexcusable in my book.

    • I don't think it's a case of defending Carra or not, I haven't come across anyone actually defending what he did, the question is what is a reasonable response to what has happened. What's done can't be undone but what happens next should be well considered and fair to everyone involved. What Carra did was by its nature an impulsive act, no thought was given to the consequences. Had he actually stopped to think about what he was going to do I'm pretty sure he'd have stopped himself doing so, it seems to have been a classic 'red mist' moment. The law is usually more lenient in these cases compared to those when people deliberately and calmly plan and carry out an offence. The effects on the victims are also considered. What we know in this case is that although it was an unpleasant experience neither of the people involved were actually harmed. The father has said he accepts Carra's apology and he has no desire to see him lose his job. As a side note, the father will have been handsomely rewarded from selling the video footage to the media so any argument about a lasting negative impact is pretty flimsy. When it comes down to it what most people find offensive is the actual act of spitting, not its physical consequences. It is more a symbolic offence than it is a harmful one, afterall people exchange saliva every day when they kiss without the need to call the police. My father was a sheep farmer and growing up I saw every conceivable bodily fluid expelled from an animal so maybe I'm a bit more desensitised to these things than some. However, I fully realise that spitting is still very much, and quite rightly, a taboo to most people and that will influence how they interpret Carra's action. When I give my opinion on this sorry affair I do so by not just considering the shocking nature of the act but also what harm was caused, what mitigation can be offered and what displays of contrition have been made. We may not all agree on what should happen next but I think we can all agree it was a wholly unpleasant event that shouldn't have happened in the first place.


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